tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11376897.post8119996065729992432..comments2024-03-16T08:15:56.182+00:00Comments on Purple Words on a Grey Background: Revisionism or rediscovery?Mike Peatmanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03385223912601726849noreply@blogger.comBlogger2125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11376897.post-38551518103331004682012-07-11T19:36:39.706+01:002012-07-11T19:36:39.706+01:00(not meant confrontationally)(not meant confrontationally)Fr Matthew McMurrayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07735247420770147170noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11376897.post-58163232794132727382012-07-11T19:34:21.250+01:002012-07-11T19:34:21.250+01:00You and I both know that we will disagree on the q...You and I both know that we will disagree on the question of women in the episcopate, so I feel it would be futile to engage specifically in a "Should they/shouldn't they" argument.<br /><br />I liked the kind of thinking behind your analogy, but I don't see how it would convince somebody like me who is a traditionalist on this issue.<br /><br />With the two recordings--(I would buy the new one incidentally if I knew who you were talking about! ;) --the essential content remains the same. Yes, we hear things more clearly but we are hearing the same thing. Nothing essentially has changed.<br /><br />The consecration of women to the episcopate (and I suppose women's ordination in general) is a fundamental change in the nature of ordination that we have received. <br /><br />There are some advocates--not all, I hasten to add--who don't care about the tradition. They would see the tradition as inherently patriarchal--thus wrong--and want to correct something that needs changing, reflecting the progress we have (largely) made in liberal Western society.<br /><br />Others might argue that perhaps the Holy Spirit is doing a new thing and might quote part of Deutero-Isaiah to back up that idea. (Isaiah 43:18-19 'Forget the former things...See, I am doing a new thing.') forgetting that we are also told to "remember the former things" in 46:9.<br /><br />Others might be more neutral but don't see any particular reason to oppose it.<br /><br />Your analogy suggests (by extrapolation) that the ordination/consecration of women will give us a better quality version of the same ministry: suggesting that nothing essentially has changed.<br /><br />I am not sure that that is an argument that can be made. Is it?Fr Matthew McMurrayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07735247420770147170noreply@blogger.com